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Cinna the Poet's avatar

RFK is a very difficult case.  Not when it comes to what to do about his speech, I'm of the same mindset as you and I don't support the misinformation panic.  But free expression people do need to be clear in recognizing that there are lots of people out there with poor critical-thinking faculties and a conspiracy-theorizing mindset.  RFK is obviously such a person.

The complicating factor, of course, is that a critical mass of voters is equally bad or worse in these respects.  (An important habit of mind for free speech absolutists is to work hard not to overestimate the electorate's critical thinking capabilities, which the "marketplace of ideas" metaphor encourages us to do.)

I think there is value in holding the line that says 5G conspiracy theories, vaccine/autism and GMO fearmongering and the like has no place in the halls of power.  If the opponent were Nikki Haley, I'd be inclined to say that it's worth running a greater risk of losing in order to repudiate RFK.  Given that the opponent was Trump, I think you're right that it was worth it to try to reach an understanding with him.

Bhattacharya, on the other hand, is a very serious person and I actually agree with many of his unorthodox views.  I think it would be great to have him in a high position.  But here there is a problem as well.  If he works for Trump, that could end up further polarizing the response to his views--lots of folks will assume that he's a bad guy because he's willing to work with Trump (and RFK).  It would be nice if the response was the one you hope for, but I'm not sure that's realistic.

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I continue to find perspectives like this perplexing. RFK Jr. is a known quantity, defined historically by his being profoundly wrong about most topics on which he advocates and his unwillingness to change his position despite definitive critique. Yes, what happens with him as HHS secretary remains to be seen. It is theoretically possible that power will have a moderating effect on him and that he would somehow see his way to endorsing routine childhood vaccination, but his own protestations that he is not "anti-vaccine" are utterly unconvincing given his history. He has a long track record of opposing childhood vaccination based on dubious naturalistic fallacies.

The cases of Prasad and Bhattacharya are a little tougher to adjuducate. They both at least appear to be competent in some domains but have demonstrated precisely the opposite in their advocacy around Covid. Prasad may have correctly identified instances where the risk-benefit calculation for vaccination (e.g., in young people) or masking (e.g., in toddlers) was not clear, but elsewhere he demonstrated, repeatedly, that he has a poor grasp of infectious disease dynamics and interpreted the statistical results of many studies in risible ways. I can only conclude that he is in fact more susceptible to motivated reasoning than the targets of his ire, not to mention being high on his own gas.

I was led back here by a Bluesky post where you said it would be better for him to post without being trolled. He should extend the same professional courtesy to people he disagrees with rather than slandering them with accusations of lying and deceipt [in some cases, he points to real cases of bad behavior and messaging on the part of public health officials, but also unjustly smears swathes of people]. I cannot see why you do not hold him to the same standard, much less why you appear to be such a fan of his. I think he's precisely the wrong kind of contrarian, i.e., one whose protestations do less to illumnate and more to inflame knee-jerk emotional reactions. Paraphrasing a colleague of mine, contrarianism is a technology that we use to inprove our understanding. I would add that once contrarianism becomes one's identity, that person now resides in perilous environs. (As an aside, Glenn Loury has fallen victim to this in the past and admitted to it, to his credit. Despite the fact that he obviously relishes his own contrarianism, he is a serious thinker with a great deal of self-awareness.)

I know less about Bhattacharya, though I will say I believe the Great Barrington Declaration to be an embarrassing document for all involved, and not just in hindsight. Without relitigating the entire thing, the fatal core of that document was this: they *assumed* the truth of herd immunity, ignored unique aspects of population risk under contagion, and then proposed solutions based on those assumptions. That document is an object lesson in poor reasoning under uncertainty.

None of this is to say there aren't serious discussions to be had about trade-offs, mandates, tensions between systemic risk and individual liberty, etc. It's crucial we have those discussions, and I do believe ideological and political homogeneity in my field is a problem.

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